Maryar comes from Fidez, the party of Orban, he is of the same disposition ad Orban except that he isn't corrupt, pro Putin. Nor is he parading a Christian Nationalist, however he is not progressive, he shied away from culture war issues, something the American Democratic Party should pay attention to.
Shying away from culture war issues doesn't mean capitulation or going over to the dark side, if you win you can still respect human rights, just don't make a big thing out of it.
The one point that he and Orban have in common, is something that the American left can't grasp because American left, rabidly insists on ideological purity, and the problem with that is who the fuck is in charge of determining what is the ideology. A bnch of bored college students siting around Diogenes Landern drinking coffee and trying to impress each other, or some numb nutz professor with grandiose ideas about himself.
Here is how Magyar won, he did not alarm the populace, He did not say that he would reverse Orbans immigration policies, in fact he will maintain them.
TheAmerican left has a problem, a conceptual one, a mental one, for them immigration is the same world over, poor suffering people fleeing hunger and conflict zones, they need to be welcomed with open arms and given succor, shelter, food, jobs
It isn't that simple. What Americans don't understand is that some culture are incompatible, they are oil and wastern they need an emulsifier, and when one is introduced, neither oil or water are the same, they are something new.
Some cultures are highly resistant to emulsifiers. The so called western culture is js not, it has been emulsified many times, but not without strife, destruction of property and loss of life, but it has been changed, the enlightenment is one example. The westward expansion and the need for labor and settlers, the influx of immigrants, most of whom came from the same basic culture, just different expressions.
Europe is under threat from an alien culture, one that tried to impose itself twice, first time at the battle of Tours in 732 CE , second time at the gate of Vienna in 1683.
That culture is no liberal, it is fatalstic, deterministic, and intolerant of free thought, independent free form females, and LGBT. Just like the present MAGA/Christian Nationalism.
Refugees from war and poverty were swarming into Europe from Syria, Afghanistan, the Levant, and with them a culture that was overwhelming and threatened to replace the culture of Hungary.
Hungarians were alarmed and demanded action, so Orban gave hem action, he built a fence to keep them out and started his own ICE program.
This is bound to rankle the feelings of progressives,, raw unbridled racism, a Catchall phrase that has political import, but it is also cultural preservation.
We all know or know of Muslims, who are great people, who we work with,play with, drink coffee with or see on TV, and most Muslims behave just as the best of us behave.
When you are a guest in someone else's house, you are on your best behavior, they still cling to their beliefs, their traditions, and I'm sure that in many cases were congregated in ghettos, still practice Sharia law, within their community, which is fine so long a it doesn't violate our civil law or condone female genital mutilation, which still occurs among Somalis, but much more limited, same with honor killings, neither of which by the way are condoned in Sharia Law.
Orthodox and c conservative communities observe Halacha law, which is essentially the same as Sharia Law.m and there is no uproar.
If the current crop of Evangelicals, Christian Nationalists, Dominionists, 7 Mountains Mandate, New Apostolic Reformation, People of Prayer, Opus Dei, encapsulated by the Heritage Foundation-Federalist Society, they will make the Sharia of the Taliban look liberal.
Anyway Hungary faced their culture being overwhelmed by an alien, and incompatible culture, Orban put a stop to it, but kept on going into a kakistokrcy, just like the Republican Party, self serving, self dealing, a plundering police state, and that was too much for the Hungarians, but it doesn't mean a full stop reversal.
And the straw that broke the camels back, was his butt licking of Putin, one of the battle cries of the people was Russia out.
Thank you, Stew. I’m happy for the citizens of Hungary. Magyar governs by coalition a nation that will never be more united than it is today. Will they keep their renascent democracy? I hope so for our sake as much as I do for theirs. Magyar was the hardest working of Orban’s opponents and very likely the most contagious too. As the leader of a coalition he will have to “compromise”, a dirty word to ideologues who in their orthodoxy can’t wait a day or two before judging and directing another nation on, as Franklin put, it “keeping” its democracy. (High minded American exceptionalism is what I call this national elitist prejudging.) Today we can should be learning from Hungary. Not the other way around.
Maryar comes from Fidez, the party of Orban, he is of the same disposition ad Orban except that he isn't corrupt, pro Putin. Nor is he parading a Christian Nationalist, however he is not progressive, he shied away from culture war issues, something the American Democratic Party should pay attention to.
Shying away from culture war issues doesn't mean capitulation or going over to the dark side, if you win you can still respect human rights, just don't make a big thing out of it.
The one point that he and Orban have in common, is something that the American left can't grasp because American left, rabidly insists on ideological purity, and the problem with that is who the fuck is in charge of determining what is the ideology. A bnch of bored college students siting around Diogenes Landern drinking coffee and trying to impress each other, or some numb nutz professor with grandiose ideas about himself.
Here is how Magyar won, he did not alarm the populace, He did not say that he would reverse Orbans immigration policies, in fact he will maintain them.
TheAmerican left has a problem, a conceptual one, a mental one, for them immigration is the same world over, poor suffering people fleeing hunger and conflict zones, they need to be welcomed with open arms and given succor, shelter, food, jobs
It isn't that simple. What Americans don't understand is that some culture are incompatible, they are oil and wastern they need an emulsifier, and when one is introduced, neither oil or water are the same, they are something new.
Some cultures are highly resistant to emulsifiers. The so called western culture is js not, it has been emulsified many times, but not without strife, destruction of property and loss of life, but it has been changed, the enlightenment is one example. The westward expansion and the need for labor and settlers, the influx of immigrants, most of whom came from the same basic culture, just different expressions.
Europe is under threat from an alien culture, one that tried to impose itself twice, first time at the battle of Tours in 732 CE , second time at the gate of Vienna in 1683.
That culture is no liberal, it is fatalstic, deterministic, and intolerant of free thought, independent free form females, and LGBT. Just like the present MAGA/Christian Nationalism.
Refugees from war and poverty were swarming into Europe from Syria, Afghanistan, the Levant, and with them a culture that was overwhelming and threatened to replace the culture of Hungary.
Hungarians were alarmed and demanded action, so Orban gave hem action, he built a fence to keep them out and started his own ICE program.
This is bound to rankle the feelings of progressives,, raw unbridled racism, a Catchall phrase that has political import, but it is also cultural preservation.
We all know or know of Muslims, who are great people, who we work with,play with, drink coffee with or see on TV, and most Muslims behave just as the best of us behave.
When you are a guest in someone else's house, you are on your best behavior, they still cling to their beliefs, their traditions, and I'm sure that in many cases were congregated in ghettos, still practice Sharia law, within their community, which is fine so long a it doesn't violate our civil law or condone female genital mutilation, which still occurs among Somalis, but much more limited, same with honor killings, neither of which by the way are condoned in Sharia Law.
Orthodox and c conservative communities observe Halacha law, which is essentially the same as Sharia Law.m and there is no uproar.
If the current crop of Evangelicals, Christian Nationalists, Dominionists, 7 Mountains Mandate, New Apostolic Reformation, People of Prayer, Opus Dei, encapsulated by the Heritage Foundation-Federalist Society, they will make the Sharia of the Taliban look liberal.
Anyway Hungary faced their culture being overwhelmed by an alien, and incompatible culture, Orban put a stop to it, but kept on going into a kakistokrcy, just like the Republican Party, self serving, self dealing, a plundering police state, and that was too much for the Hungarians, but it doesn't mean a full stop reversal.
And the straw that broke the camels back, was his butt licking of Putin, one of the battle cries of the people was Russia out.
Thank you, Stew. I’m happy for the citizens of Hungary. Magyar governs by coalition a nation that will never be more united than it is today. Will they keep their renascent democracy? I hope so for our sake as much as I do for theirs. Magyar was the hardest working of Orban’s opponents and very likely the most contagious too. As the leader of a coalition he will have to “compromise”, a dirty word to ideologues who in their orthodoxy can’t wait a day or two before judging and directing another nation on, as Franklin put, it “keeping” its democracy. (High minded American exceptionalism is what I call this national elitist prejudging.) Today we can should be learning from Hungary. Not the other way around.